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Spy vs. Pol May 15, 2009

Posted by Paige of Quarrel in we're only gonna die.
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It appears the nation is caught in the midst of a classic she said, CIA said.  We’re being asked to chose between believing a career politician (never a good bet, IMO) and the top sekrit spy agency that carried out torture and doesn’t want to be investigated for it.

They both have something to gain by lying here and both sides keep changing their arguments and Pelosi was not allowed to keep notes about her single briefing but the CIA was, only we’re not allowed to see those notes (although Republican Senator Kit Bond was?!).  This is like a bad episode of The People’s Court.  Only this episode isn’t about a broken electric bicycle.  It’s about war crimes.

I choose option C.  I don’t believe any of them.  This is why I absolutely think Obama, the Congress and the country should move on and forget about truth and reconciliation or prosecution or any of it.  Why?  There are tons of countries out there that now have universal jurisdiction and are probably much better positioned to assess what really happened.  America can’t be in charge of figuring out if America did something wrong.  That’s like letting Sudan investigate itself.  It makes no sense.  We weren’t waterboarding Americans (that we know about yet).  This was a crime against citizens of other countries and other signatories to the Conventions should be able to investigate (and prosecute).

Let’s stop having this pointless back and forth right now, move on with fixing our economy, our broken system that allowed this all to happen, and our reputation and agree to abide by the findings of the ICC.

P.S. – You know how every single time the CIA has something to be defensive about they hold a press conference in front of that wall with all the stars for lost agents?  Can we call shenanigans on that?  Yes, spies died.  That kinda goes along with the job, right?  It shouldn’t be the backdrop – literally- for every discussion we have as a nation about when they might have crossed the line.  That’s like the Pentagon holding all its briefings in front of Arlington Cemetery or the White House making major policy speeches in Dealey Plaza.


Faking outrage May 14, 2009

Posted by Paige of Quarrel in cult of lack of personality, we're only gonna die.
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Piece Apart is shocked and saddened that Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D, CA) ordered the brutal torture of so-called high-value detainees in violation of the Geneva Conventions, the UN Convention Against Torture and US law and fully supports charging the Speaker with war crimes–

What’s that?  She didn’t order the torture.  OK, OK, so she was “just following orders” when she waterboarded one prisoner 183 times in one month and —

What?  Oh.  She didn’t actually torture any one.  Still!  She was there watching it take place and knowingly —

Oh.  She wasn’t present and didn’t know the full scope but was maybe briefed once about the administration’s stance on the legality of these interrogation tactics but the CIA can’t recall exactly?  Still, she didn’t speak out about this horrific abuse of —

She couldn’t speak out, you say?  Illegal?  Top secret CIA briefings?  Oh.  Um.  Still though, she maybe knew almost as early as all those Republicans who actually committed the war crimes and then faked outrage later because she represents a very liberal district and knows this could totally be used to weaken her and most of the people talking about this were badmouthing her everyday before anyway and being the first female Speaker is like she has a huge target painted on her.  Still.

I mean, I know it’s not illegal to know about these crimes and we’re all completely ignoring the people who actually committed them and haven’t faced any consequences to beat up on her and she’s being unfairly singled out, but, you know.  C’mon.  Faking outrage?  What kind of politician does that?!